no dog was trying to save his TV carrier from a bad girl. not realizing that his son was the bad person.

Oh, I agree. A&E has every right to drop him, provided they fulfill the terms of their contract. I just have to wonder why there's any flap beyond that.

he ain't losin his bounty huntin job cuz of this. his wife owns the bail bond company that's his primary client.

i'm more than a lil amused by concerns over violations of a bounty hunter's rights cause there won't be any reciprocity forthcoming.

warrant? we don need no steenkeeng warrants.

I thought what Alec Baldwin said to his daughter on the answering machine was worse than what Dog said. Neither of them did anything worth making decisions around, but both showed themselves for the small minds they are.

Recognizing people's rights shouldn't be based on how they recognize (or don't) the rights of others, kingbee.

of course not. i'm not disputing nor denying dawg's rights.

best part of a dawg episode far as i'm concerned occurs after the capture...during inevitable ride to the jail. no matter how badly wound up our hero may be during the hunt, no matter how aggressive the takedown, something amazing begins once dawg's got his quarry hooked up & seatbelted in the center--jammed between himself and one of his many bail agent progeny--of the middle-tier suv bench seat. he starts passin out cigarettes, water, advice and sympathy. dawg almost always winds up blubbering if not outright bawling while promising to do whatever it takes to get his captive released again soon as he or she's been processed.

i'm always equally more than a lil bit amused by that as well.

nothin like a big ol hit of pathos & irony.

buwhahahaha

That show really does suck. Like LW I couldn't stand watching more than a few seconds at a time, so I missed this....hahahaha.

"I find it curious, Dan, that you find holding racist thoughts privately and brutally murdering and torturing animals to be morally equivalent."

You misunderstand, I was referring to Whip's lack of characterizing of this man, when at first glace, she characterized Vick, as black. The fact that Dog is no more or less a thug, than Vick, yet he is White, not black, is what stood out to me.

"Dog's comments were meant to be part of a private conversation. They weren't said at a heckler at a public performance. "

Agreed. I'm not making the case that he should have lost his job, or be in jail. I'm also not making the case that he should have chosen the words he did.

"what exactly is dawg's career?"

He's a(n)...

author
bounty hunter
bail bondsman
and former star of a #1 rated cable tv show.

"can't think of anything more appropriate than for him to have to ride around oahu about 10 times in the middle seat of an suv cuffed & stuffed betwee jesse and al sharpton."

Please don't make me laugh so hard when I read this stuff. LOL LOL LOL

"I am just surprised at Dan's equation of Dog's comments to Mike Vick's actions."

Perhaps I wasn't clear, but that's not what I am saying. I am equating Dog, an ex con, with a loud mouth, money, and celebrity to Michael Vick, soon to be an ex con, with a loud mouth, money, and celebrity. Their actions, one of a racist, the other of a cruel person, really line up in terms of virtuous deeds. Some would call them thugs, and I will, Dog is a thug, the way he treats people who end up running from the law, not like a professional but like he is some spirit priest, the whole get up he wears, the show he puts on, benefits he and his clan not the criminal. Though some would argue that criminals don't deserve benefits. You are not a criminal, until proven guilty, you are innocent until proven guilty, via due process, before hand you are a suspect.

Now, to be clear, my comment, was directed to Whip, who initiated a comment on this thread, stating her agreement, not calling him a no good white thug or whatever, conspicuously absent from her comments were a characterization of "The Dog". While Vick, she was quick to jump to calling in the string of negative characterizations and linking them with his skin color, though it was obvious what color his skin was. That is the point I was making.

"I listened to the whole thing. It seems more about Dog controlling his son than about his being racist. But, it sounds from that one tape like Dog is a racist to me."

He's not a bright man, but as for racist, he makes the comments of a racist, but so did Michael Richards, in public, to people in a direct effort to offend. A bunch of "black leaders" subsequently stated after he apologized he was not a racist. People make bad decisions, in this case, Dog should have learned Richards' lesson beforehand.

"You know what, I'm getting really fucking sick of you bringing up every topic we've ever debated on in the past on every thread (yours, mine, or a third party's) we encounter each other on."

Right. Well you are free to stop posting, or grow up, or move onto other threads. I don't go searching out your forum posts, I don't bring this up on every thread, you know that, and can stop mischaracterizing what I write, now. For all the feather ruffling you do online Whip, it really bothers you when I ask you something, when I challenge you doesn't it? Really gets to you.

"You seem to view as 'unfinished' any disagreement we've had that didn't end with me 'seeing the light' (or at least seeing it YOUR way.)"

Sure, that's totally it, I'm just pointing it out because it is obvious and conspicuous.

"I'm shocked that you didn't throw in my desire to give 9 year olds birth control and encourage them to have sex with your hypothetical children, just for good measure."

It's a good thing you don't have kids, because kids don't learn well from parents who are big cry babies.

"I blame it on people like you, Dan, and I think you're crying real crocodile tears here."

Oh blow it out your ass Whip. Wa wa wa.

"I thought what Alec Baldwin said to his daughter on the answering machine was worse than what Dog said. Neither of them did anything worth making decisions around, but both showed themselves for the small minds they are."

Blaming this one me too Whip?

"he starts passin out cigarettes, water, advice and sympathy. dawg almost always winds up blubbering if not outright bawling while promising to do whatever it takes to get his captive released again soon as he or she's been processed."

That's the "Full House" part of each episode. Can't you just see Bob Sagat in the role of "the Dog" ok never mind, me either. LOL

I hope you all don't get the idea that I enjoyed watching this show and actively worked to make it #1, well I did watch the show, enough to know what it was a about, like I watch football, not really my thing, except the Packers are 7-1! Michael Vick, wasn't really a player I ever cared or even followed. I've seen about 15 min of two episodes and it is the same thing, lets go get this guy, where they right down the details on the white board, jump in the SUV's drive out to some place on Hawaii, surround a house, smoke out the bad guy, cuff em and stuff em, take em on a sympathy & scenery ride to the jail. Great TV it was not.

With all the writers on strike in Hollywood A&E might have to rerun episodes of this crap lol.

For good TV, watch Discovery, see Deadliest Catch, and How it's Made, and MythBusters, awesome programs. I also like Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe, that's great TV. Even if it is a hint of reality TV. Another good program is Orange Country Choppers but everybody has seen that probably, on TLC. Those are the kind of things I like to watch in case anybody wants to analyze that.

if you have noticed i stopped commenting on this because few of you want to give the man his rights.




this man is more or less workong with in the law. he does what he has to to protect himself and his team. no i don't watch the show.


vic was using dogs to kill each other for fun.


i do not see how these two can even be compared.


if i remember the same people on here didn't want to give vic his rights either.

An ex convict of murder, who is bringing criminals to justice not for an upholding of the law and justice but for money. Yeah he's not a thug. He is no more a thug than Vick was. Where is Vick's prior criminal conviction? Didn't have one.

Daniel you are the master of one or two lines here or there without substance. Now you are stretching what amounts to a single paragraph by triple spacing your text. Really does that pass for college level?

"Chapman, a former gang member with 18 prior convictions for armed robbery,[2] was sentenced to five years in a Texas prison in 1977 after being convicted of the first degree murder of Jeremy Oliver. According to Chapman, he did not kill anyone but was legally an accessory for not reporting the shooting to the police.[3] He was released on probation after 18 months."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Chapman

If 18 prior convictions for armed robbery doesn't make you a fucking thug Daniel maybe you should ask Michael Vick what makes him a thug?

"Despite the popularity of Chapman prior to the revelation of his using racial slurs in a phone conversation, other bail agents had publicly stated their disapproval of Chapman's methods or style. Penny Harding, the executive director of the California Bail Agents Association, said "He represents all of the things that bail agents are trying to get away from - the cowboy image, the renegade, bring 'em home dead or alive."

Some might even call him a thug.

If you look and see that Dog really is a pseudo celebrity the IMDB has a whole rap sheet on him of cameos and appearances. He and his wife obviously crave the spotlight.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1738062/

But you are right, Dog isn't a celebrity, he's not a thug, and he certainly isn't a racist. Or is he?

You can debate about rights and freedoms all you want, about the freedom to say what you want. He said it, and he was/is free to do so. However, If Dog was really as committed to eliminating racism as he now wants to be, promising never to use the word again and apologizing to the fans, yada yada yada, (wow Seinfeld quote, Kramer was on Seinfeld, Michael Richards is Kramer, whoa freaky) anyway, he wouldn't have been using the racial slur on the phone with his son, not only could his conversation be recorded or intercepted, but it could have also been overheard by someone nearby. Whatever.

If you don't want to answer for being a racist, don't make comments racists make. Simple as that.

Oh yea by the way, definition of thug...

"Thug may refer to:
Thug, slang for a gangster or a petty thief"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thug

Dog has 18 armed robbery convictions, was an accessory to murder, and a gang member. Vick, not a gang member, not a robber, and a petty thief. Sure Vick is a cruel individual who made bad choices but does he fit the definition of thug any better than Chapman?

I would argue they both fit that definition but Chapman fits the example better in my opinion.

Maybe you like this one better

"The English word thug, meaning a violent criminal, comes from the Hindi word thag (and originally from the Sanskrit word sthaga), meaning a thief or villain."Back in the 1500's or so ,not really sure about the date, there was a god, in which ladies would come to. They would scarfice items to it, and also cut themselfs and the men would come and still there sacrifics and beat the women and they call themselfs thugs"The original Thugs were bands of roving criminals in India who strangled and robbed travellers. Originally these gangs committed murder following precise religious rites to honour Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug

Or this one...

"1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

The whole point is DOG CHAPMAN is as much, and fits the definition as well or better of a thug, in comparison to Vick, yet Whip didn't seem to feel the need to jump all over this guys ass given his history and fame/success, and label him by his color and a bunch of other negative connotations. The absence was conspicuous and noted. Uproar all you want over it folks.

he didn't sound like a racist in that sound bite. he sounded like someone who didn't want a private conversation to cost him his TV gig.



who said i went to college.


you mean those people who have run away from the law.

1 i didn't know that he was an ex convict as i said i have not watched the show nor will i. but who better than an ex convict to hunt down people than someone who actually knows how they think.


HE IS STILL AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND HE STILL HAS RIGHTS. which it seems that to many people want to take away from him. because he chewed his son out over his girl friend. but i recall him telling his son that he would help him get a new job.


Vic had rights too but because he was a celebrity it seemed like no body on this sight wanted to give him his rights. what Vic did was appalling but he still had his rights.

Please show me the "right" to be on a cable TV show. Daniel, I have not advocated for removing ANY of Dog's "rights". What you need to understand is that being on TV is not a "right", otherwise a WHOLE LOT of us have had our rights violated for nothing.

Now I'm writing to A&E. I want my reality show, durnit!

Similarly, Vick had no "right" to play in the NFL.

and you have no right to write on this blog except that the owner brad allows it. but Vic has a right to work his job was the NFL. dog or however also has a right to a job this time it is doing a show on bounty hunter. and the only ones who have the right to take those jobs away are their bosses.


you people have condemned them both with out going to court and in the case of dog. there is no reason for a court case. unless he sues his son for invasion of privacy