I don't think children look for the hidden meaning behind things very often...they pretty much take things as they see them. Hell, I'll miss the hidden meanings behind stuff if I'm not looking for it. If you tell the kids that this is an attack on God...then that's what they'll see. Take them there to watch a fun fantasy movie and that's what they'll do. I have yet to hear any deep philosophical or religious discussions from anyone below the age of 15 without some kind of prompting.

If I see some 13 year old walk out of that movie and proclaim that it was an affront to God by his/her own reasoning, I will buy a hat and then I will eat it.

~Zoo

KFC POSTS:

Exactly.
The Catholic League is watching out for us..it's giving us a heads-up about the dangers... it's giving us ample warning to stay away from the movie.

It's good advice...and advice I plan on heeding.



Yup. Although some bishops are warning against it...we got flyers in the Church bulletin..Same as DaVinci Code...some bishops warned against that one too..





Dan,

First, no one that I know of is censoring the movie. So get off the censor wagon...

Second,

The whole reason for the boycott IS the content of the movie...of course we should focus discussION ON the content..

I find this to be true in general. We bring up our kids in the faith, and set the moral teaching allowing them to make little decisions when they are young, and by the time they are older and up and away, they can lean back on what they've been taught and make big decisions.

This movie though, becasue of Pullman's known and admitted hatred of Christianity and becasue it shows in the film, is one to avoid. No parent who brings their children up in the faith will want any part of this movie. There is nothing good about promoting atheism to kids even benignly.

The "they" would be me...and what is "crap" to some is God's very Word to others.

"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he that hearkens unto counsel is wise." Proverbs 12:15

I'm hearkening unto the good counsel of the Catholic League and you should too...the Golden Compass is for no one.

I wish that no one would follow Pullman, the pied piper of atheism, off the cliff into the abyss.

"I don't see the Catholic church, in this case, excommunicating any who go to this movie. Right Lula? There is no demand here but just a warning and this is the vehicle for it."

That's because the church isn't behind the boycott, the C league is.

"the reason why we will not see the movie."

Which is that the movie is satanic, and portrays Catholics in a bad way, because they believe in fantasy? What exactly is the reason you won't see the movie? Is it perhaps solely because you feel the need to band together blindly in cause irregardless of what that cause is, or how meritorious that cause is, only to support fellow Christians?

If and only if, that is the case, that's religious fanaticalism, not reasoned thinking, or open minded reception to different ideas. I am pretty certain that religion for people isn't about the truth really as much as it is about being right, and in the end sticking to it because you don't want to be wrong. Some of course would take a different view, consider that...

Nobody has seen a screening of the movie,
Everybody already has a negative opinion of the author because of previous literature,
The boycott is not coming from the church, but from the C league, which is out of line with that the church teaches, tolerance and brotherhood.

"I will choose NOT to watch the Golden Compass"

I respect your decision, but not your reasoning.

"It's not so much what's IN the movie Zoo. It's the spirit BEHIND it that bothers us."

Again, absolutely no factual basis for drawing conclusions whatsoever. Author is an atheist. So what.

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"I don't think children look for the hidden meaning behind things very often...they pretty much take things as they see them. Hell, I'll miss the hidden meanings behind stuff if I'm not looking for it. If you tell the kids that this is an attack on God...then that's what they'll see. Take them there to watch a fun fantasy movie and that's what they'll do. I have yet to hear any deep philosophical or religious discussions from anyone below the age of 15 without some kind of prompting."

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Exactly a point that needed to be made thanks Zoo. Adults blow this kind of thing way out of proportion months in advance and for what?

"Dan, First, no one that I know of is censoring the movie. So get off the censor wagon... Second, The whole reason for the boycott IS the content of the movie...of course we should focus discussION ON the content.."

Absolutely wrong. You may focus your discussion on whatever you wish, the point of censorship, is that it doesn't have to be by a government, any force that denies anybody access to an idea, is censorship. In some cases it's ok, of course you want to control, as an individual what your children are exposed to, that's fine, that's why they show more than one movie at the theater, but calling for a global boycott of the film, has already had the author's literature CENSORED in a library. Boycotts for not better reason than differing ideologies, don't promote fair and free exchange of ideas.

I'm not saying you have to participate in the exchange of ideas, but certainly the leader of the C league is against free speech and free exchange of any idea that might not favorably portray the church.

"This movie though, becasue of Pullman's known and admitted hatred of Christianity and becasue it shows in the film, is one to avoid. No parent who brings their children up in the faith will want any part of this movie. There is nothing good about promoting atheism to kids even benignly."

Now you are twisting the truth, Pullman, hasn't said he hates the church or Christianity, if you have a quote, link us to it. Otherwise, concede your argument comes from the C League who have and will misrepresent their opponents position.

The Golden Compass is a book. You don't have to see a screening of the movie to know the message. Why do you keep saying, "How can you judge this movie without a screening?" when it's based on a book that has been out? If I had read Harry Potter and thought it was anti-Christian, I wouldn't want to see the movie either. If I read DaVinci code and thought it was anti-Christian, I wouldn't go see the movie. You can't judge a book by it's cover, but you can judge a movie by it's book.

Good point.

Y'all MUST stop busting Dan's chops here. I haven't heard him once say that parents who don't want to see it should be forced to see it.

Presumption: That the Bible inspires parroting, and that other material inspires free thought.

Truth: People think for themselves about things, or they don't. It doesn't matter what you're looking at, a Bible or a fantasy story, people will either parrot it or think for themselves about it based on themselves, not on what they're reading/watching.

Basically, you're going to end up with people still NOT thinking original thoughts and just parroting the anti-Christian lines, just like some Christians don't think and parrot the Christian lines.

Ohhhh, yah, say it like it is....

Lula posts:

Dan Greene posts:




Dan, you have already provided a quote from Pullman himself...




What exactly has the Catholic League as you say "misrepresented", Dan?

Gid-

Dan's chops seem to need a little busting.

"How dare you use quotes I used previously against me now that they don't support my point!"

Not necessarily. Sometimes a movie is faithful to its book adaptation- Silence of the Lambs for instance was remarkably close to the book. Other movies go off on some crazy ass pseudo story and the message can be lost entirely. That happens with most book to movie adaptations. The book holds more tangible content than a movie ever will. People are often disappointed when the movie in no way reflects the book.

Anyway, a children's movie is often just that, a children's movie. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

~Zoo

Sometimes, a cigar contains a spray that puts people to sleep.

Movies often lead to reading the book behind it, because of that very fact. So that will lead to young'uns seeing the movie, and then reading the book, and basically being lied to about God by someone who is specifically trying to undermine Christian beliefs.

Yes, and I think of Martin Luther Jr. who said:

"He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

— Martin Luther King Jr, 1958