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Was it worth it? Answer.... no
Published on January 24, 2008 By Dan Greene In OS Wars
First let me say I'm not joking when I say I'd love to reply to your posts, but I am seemingly unable to reply only edit the original post, does anybody have any suggestions, I'm using Vista lol and firefox. Is my brower missing the reply functionality?

I purchased an OEM copy of Vista, when I was given the dilemma by Microsoft of either purchasing a OEM XP License for about $10 less than getting an OEM copy of Vista via newegg.

What I can tell you is that I have been a computer user since the 80's and have a history of OS usage, dating back to whatever they called the OS on the Apple IIGS, DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, Win 95/98/98SE/2000/XP and of course OEM VISTA ULTIMATE 64 bit.

I have finally settled down with Vista, but I am left looking for the new and improved features which really give me the feeling that they are all that (sorta) without the bag of chips.

I don't understand why Vista wasn't packaged as saleable service pack to XP because Vista truly offers an almost immeasurable benefit per dollar over XP.

One of the major downsides of Vista, is the necessity to upgrade hardware on older rigs to achieve performance standards easily obtainable with 2 or 3 or 4 year old hardware on XP. Also, with only 2GB of ram in the sytem, it is smooth, but it would be equally smooth with XP, so while there is intelligent (supposedly) buffering of the RAM by Vista, perhaps reducing the load time on programs you use consistently at certain times of the day, in Vista over XP I don't see that it is a major advantage over XP. I use XP at work daily, Windows 2000 weekly, and Vista at home.

At this point I am pretty comfy with Vista, I have totally disabled the UAC, and I am left to wonder if I am really safer with Vista vs XP. I did have a virus or nasty bit of malware at one time, with Vista, which I was able to safely dispose of using System Restore. On my old single core rig, System Restore no longer works for unknown reasoning, also I cannot reformat the drive, and install a clean OS, because I no longer have the activation code which I'll have to call up Dell TSupport and spend more hours of my life than it is worth to deal with that, while having a protected computer readily available should there be a problem.

However, with Vista Ultimate, no update to the speech recognition system, no word processor which interfaces with the speech recognition, and no real surviving feature that I get excited by.

At this point I would have preferred to get OEM XP and a cheap or bootleg copy of Office, just for the fact that I have spell check and compatibility with work computers, Excel files.

There are a few visual things but nothing to justify 5 years of development, nothing to justify the price, and certainly nothing to want me to invest any money in upcoming Windows 7 or go Microsoft in the future. Unfortunately they have damaged their company image, going from the evil almost monopoly to the exploiter of that power to release drab OS software that lacks completeness and robustness.

There is nothing that truly bothers me about Vista Ultimate, if you forget about, No MS WORD, No OS integrated Microsoft Virus Protection, and lack of incompatibility of the Vista Speech Recognition Engine with Open Office.

I believe that Vista, really does deserve the half assed product award. At this point.



How does one make a reply in ones' own post? JU must have changed since I was last here since I can no longer reply to users in the forum which is kinda stupid in my opinion.

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on Feb 21, 2008

I'm still back to the future with W98. Fast becoming obsolete; I had to give up Turbo Tax that no longer recognzed the old system; then this year HR followed suit. The last alternative was Tax Act on line--I hope they stick with  it. BTW does WordPerfect run with Vista?

on Feb 24, 2008
I would think so. I run Open Office myself.
on Feb 24, 2008
Whats so Bad about a "lack of incompatibility of the Vista Speech Recognition Engine with Open Office."
on Feb 24, 2008
Wow.

Some people are cheap bastards. I spent $40 for 2GB of RAM and another $40 for an el cheapo nVidia GeForce 8400GS. Is $80 for hardware upgrades really such a burden?
on Feb 24, 2008
Some people are cheap bastards. I spent $40 for 2GB of RAM and another $40 for an el cheapo nVidia GeForce 8400GS. Is $80 for hardware upgrades really such a burden?


And that's my point. I got 2 gigs of ddr w/ heatsinks for about $80 off newegg (i love u newegg!) and an nvidia 8500GT 512mb SLI for $129.00 at best buy. People want to bitch about their PCs not being good enough for Vista, but they won't go spend any $$ to upgrade and solve their problems. I guess people think that companies like MS should just stick with what's current.
on Feb 24, 2008
Yes, Newegg is made of win and awesome. I actually put together this halfway-decent system for about $300 + tax and shipping.

This is what I don't understand: Person A says that Program X is crap. When asked, Person A says that Program X is crap because it won't run on old hardware. When asked again, Person A says that their hardware can't run Program X. Third time around, Person A says they're happy with Program X-1 anyway.

So what is it? If you want to run it but can't, that's one thing. But if you can't run it and don't want it anyway...then what's your point?
on Feb 24, 2008
Don, I have come to realize that some folks just want something (anything, really) to whine about. It's all a conspiracy: the software corps. like MS are in cahoots with PC manufacturers and parts suppliers to bleed the common folks dry.  

I often wonder if people realize how stupid that sounds....
on Feb 24, 2008

Of course. It's all a conspiracy - these same PC manufacturers are taking orders from the oil companies (plastics, don'tchaknow), who ultimately take orders from the Illuminati and Thirteen Swiss Rabbis (or was it twenty-one? I get so confused).

It's different and new, and that makes it easy to find fault with. The average person doesn't understand the intricacies of RAM management, copyright protection, and the like. What they do understand is "requires better hardware to run." This, then, becomes a way for otherwise average people to look smart and connected - which is doubly ridiculous on a software manufacturer's company forums, where real software and hardware engineers post regularly.

I'm not saying there aren't valid complaints about Vista. It does do some boneheaded stuff. However, it's almost entirely at the back end, where the consumer won't see it. It's the devs who have to slog through its weirdness, not me. So, from my perspective, I really couldn't complain beyond "I wish some of the software I'm waiting for would come out faster." Once these engineers get used to Vista's ways, I'm sure the pace will pick back up.

By the way, anyone else find it odd - and maybe a little suspicious - that somebody is upset over having to buy new hardware, but claims to have tried Vista already? So are we to believe that he went out and bought a copy of a $150-$300 OS and just threw it in a drawer after trying it out when that same amount would've given him four times the computer he's using now?
on Feb 24, 2008
I have been a computer user since the 80's and have a history of OS usage


So, basically, you don't know s**t.
on Feb 24, 2008
I think the Masons are involved in this conspiracy too, Don. Let's not forget that they have their hands stirring ALL the pots.

After reading some of the other forum posts, I'm surprised that no one has accused SD of being part of the conspiracy (I think Brad and Neil are members of the Illuminati/Masons/your choice ofany secret society here).....
on Feb 24, 2008
I have been a computer user since the 80's and have a history of OS usage

So, basically, you don't know s**t.


I loved that line too. Because, you know, the rest of us that have been using computers the last two decades have never seen an OS before...  

I think the Masons are involved in this conspiracy too, Don. Let's not forget that they have their hands stirring ALL the pots. After reading some of the other forum posts, I'm surprised that no one has accused SD of being part of the conspiracy (I think Brad and Neil are members of the Illuminati/Masons/your choice ofany secret society here).....


Do NOT reveal the secrets of the society, Brother Josh!  
on Feb 24, 2008
The OS on the Apple IIGs was called ProDOS. If you ever used this OS, you'll never forget the name.

Another issue: I don't know where the fairy tale comes from that new hardware is needed to run Vista. My wife is running Windows Vista Ultimate on a 6 years old motherboard, an Asus P4B533 with a 6 years old Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz (overclocked to 2.7 Ghz) with 6 years old Seagate Barracuda HDD's. The only additional investment was a Geforce VGA card with 256 Mb for 50 Euro. This system is running fine and fast even with WindowBlinds and the other Stardock stuff on it. The Vista rating is 3.9, which is not bad at all.
on Feb 24, 2008
who ultimately take orders from the Illuminati and Thirteen Swiss Rabbis (or was it twenty-one?


13 Swiss Rabbis? I didn't even know there were that many here in Switzerland!

.... clearly this is an indication of yet another conspiracy!
on Feb 27, 2008
Of course. It's all a conspiracy -


it's all a conspiracy: the software corps. like MS are in cahoots with PC manufacturers and parts suppliers to bleed the common folks dry.


this is TOP SECRETE but check out
The conspiracy

on Feb 28, 2008
Of course. It's all a conspiracy -


Yup...Dan Greene and Kona are Apple/Mac and/or Linux plants. They will never admit to it (maybe because they were brainwashed to react only when seeing the word 'Vista"), but they were sent with the express intention of undermining public confidence in MS' flagship OS... to divert sales to Apple/extol the virtues of Linux, which one day hopes to conquer the OS world with its paid for versions of Ultimately Lista.

Yes, they will each praise XP as being 'up' there... but Apple and Linux do not mind this... in fact they encourage it because its 'old hat' and will pale in comparison to their modern day Oses with all the whistles and bells, bibs and bobs. So long as Vista is dead in the water, they don't mind... their stiffest competition is eliminated and Kona and Dan Greene will have been instrumental in its premature demise, and thus, XP's also because PC geeks will flock to snap up Apple's and Linux' new doodads.

Actually, I don't buy the bit about Kona being unaware of his complicity in the Linux conspiracy... he's too darned passionate... animated about hating Vista to be under some
hypnotic spell Linux concocted. Nope, I believe he be a willing participant n' us Vista luvvers should oughta 'ave 'im keel'auled 'neath tha Twisted Sister....AARRGGHH.

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